great loss of shards and gambling limit.

[shaman]

Your IGN: Redder

Description of Problem :
1. I have been gambling on the server and had accumulated a lot of wealth and everything is now lost cause of the rollback and the bug of soul shards. I had 9.5 billion soul shards.
2. Limit on gambling is absurd since it is already limited by the amount of money one can spare on the gambling system.

Other : 1. The amount of soul shards that a person has is basically the amount of items they can buy and are an intergral economic part, them being reduced to one tenth of what one had, is very depressing.
2.Gambling was an integrally fun part of the game which makes one lose and win shards creating a really dynamic system of play. The higher stakes provided, the better the reward is the concept of gambling, which being limited makes no sense.

Why It Affects You/Others*:
1. My soul shards have been reset to 1/9 of what i originally had on the server throughout the day, this means that my purchasing power and other things have become very limited, and unfairly have been restricted.
2.The gambling is essentially a situation where luck and skill both take part together, and higher stakes are balanced with higher risks, this is the form which restricts peoples gambles. Providing a gambling limit is a huge killjoy.and should be at least increased to 1000,000,000 instead of 50,000,000. it affects me more since I have already lost my soul shards to the rollback which dates my major soul shards out which i can't even recover anymore.

[Vanros]

vouch, i also lost 50m.

[Blob]

Your IGN: Redder

Description of Problem :
1. I have been gambling on the server and had accumulated a lot of wealth and everything is now lost cause of the rollback and the bug of soul shards. I had 9.5 billion soul shards.
2. Limit on gambling is absurd since it is already limited by the amount of money one can spare on the gambling system.

Other : 1. The amount of soul shards that a person has is basically the amount of items they can buy and are an intergral economic part, them being reduced to one tenth of what one had, is very depressing.
2.Gambling was an integrally fun part of the game which makes one lose and win shards creating a really dynamic system of play. The higher stakes provided, the better the reward is the concept of gambling, which being limited makes no sense.

Why It Affects You/Others*:
1. My soul shards have been reset to 1/9 of what i originally had on the server throughout the day, this means that my purchasing power and other things have become very limited, and unfairly have been restricted.
2.The gambling is essentially a situation where luck and skill both take part together, and higher stakes are balanced with higher risks, this is the form which restricts peoples gambles. Providing a gambling limit is a huge killjoy.and should be at least increased to 1000,000,000 instead of 50,000,000. it affects me more since I have already lost my soul shards to the rollback which dates my major soul shards out which i can't even recover anymore.

I myself have lost 4mil that redder gave me last night

[Panther]

Your IGN: Redder

Description of Problem :
1. I have been gambling on the server and had accumulated a lot of wealth and everything is now lost cause of the rollback and the bug of soul shards. I had 9.5 billion soul shards.
2. Limit on gambling is absurd since it is already limited by the amount of money one can spare on the gambling system.

Other : 1. The amount of soul shards that a person has is basically the amount of items they can buy and are an intergral economic part, them being reduced to one tenth of what one had, is very depressing.
2.Gambling was an integrally fun part of the game which makes one lose and win shards creating a really dynamic system of play. The higher stakes provided, the better the reward is the concept of gambling, which being limited makes no sense.

Why It Affects You/Others*:
1. My soul shards have been reset to 1/9 of what i originally had on the server throughout the day, this means that my purchasing power and other things have become very limited, and unfairly have been restricted.
2.The gambling is essentially a situation where luck and skill both take part together, and higher stakes are balanced with higher risks, this is the form which restricts peoples gambles. Providing a gambling limit is a huge killjoy.and should be at least increased to 1000,000,000 instead of 50,000,000. it affects me more since I have already lost my soul shards to the rollback which dates my major soul shards out which i can't even recover anymore.

Regarding soul shard loss, The database was corrupted, but it has since been restored. the backups are hourly, so the most you will have lost is an hours worth of gain.



1, No way you had 9.5 billion... and if you did, I doubt you earned it without hacks. You currently have almost 2 billion and I'm suspicious of that too.

2, People are abusing the gamble method, due to there being no cap. This cap will stay in place. If you have so much money that gambling 50mil is nothing, then you probably don't need it at all.

The reason behind the cap is that people, probably like you, that hav a lot of money ,can just keep gambling and doulbing up until they have rediculous amounts of money.

[shaman]

Your IGN: Redder

Description of Problem :
1. I have been gambling on the server and had accumulated a lot of wealth and everything is now lost cause of the rollback and the bug of soul shards. I had 9.5 billion soul shards.
2. Limit on gambling is absurd since it is already limited by the amount of money one can spare on the gambling system.

Other : 1. The amount of soul shards that a person has is basically the amount of items they can buy and are an intergral economic part, them being reduced to one tenth of what one had, is very depressing.
2.Gambling was an integrally fun part of the game which makes one lose and win shards creating a really dynamic system of play. The higher stakes provided, the better the reward is the concept of gambling, which being limited makes no sense.

Why It Affects You/Others*:
1. My soul shards have been reset to 1/9 of what i originally had on the server throughout the day, this means that my purchasing power and other things have become very limited, and unfairly have been restricted.
2.The gambling is essentially a situation where luck and skill both take part together, and higher stakes are balanced with higher risks, this is the form which restricts peoples gambles. Providing a gambling limit is a huge killjoy.and should be at least increased to 1000,000,000 instead of 50,000,000. it affects me more since I have already lost my soul shards to the rollback which dates my major soul shards out which i can't even recover anymore.

Regarding soul shard loss, The database was corrupted, but it has since been restored. the backups are hourly, so the most you will have lost is an hours worth of gain.



1, No way you had 9.5 billion... and if you did, I doubt you earned it without hacks. You currently have almost 2 billion and I'm suspicious of that too.

2, People are abusing the gamble method, due to there being no cap. This cap will stay in place. If you have so much money that gambling 50mil is nothing, then you probably don't need it at all.

The reason behind the cap is that people, probably like you, that hav a lot of money ,can just keep gambling and doulbing up until they have rediculous amounts of money.

Dear Panther,
I disagree, and i ask you what harm does that do to the system ? If i am accumulating money through gambling is it wrong for someone to be able to win lots? I am in no way manipulating the game with hacks or making the game less enjoyable to others by gambling soul shards that i have collected.

1. First of all, the gambling system was one of the things that bring me back again and again to the server, now that its been capped i feel helpless.

2. I dont hack and i presume there is no existing hack for soul shards (or server currency) since otherwise we would have seen people do it all the time.

3. I did have 9.5 billion all legitimately won through gambling and risking, i used to lose a lot and win a lot both, you can ask any of the moderators, since they were there checking my progress as it interested them on how i could win gambles.

4. Mods that have been online had checked my balance and has seen and recorded 9.5 billion by doing /bank balance Redder.

5. Mods such as JackMod (who was the one who inspired me to bet big to get big and made me break my small gambling limits), AlertCow (who saw the gambles i made and the balance i had), GlitchCo (who i have helped track down hackers and helped the community) have all seen me gamble and win and also at many stages seen me lose.

6. The factor of fun is undeniably lost cause of the cap no allowing me to gamble the way that would be fun and exhilarating, and i please request you to increase it to 500 million if not anything else.

I have tried to be a model example to the community, never hacking or exploiting glitches, i have gained shards by trading and farming and gambling together, to achieve what i got, to where i got. Is it wrong to ask for what was earned by me? or is it wrong to play to do something which is fun for me?

I have supported the changes in economy and i have also provided inputs which would help the community wherever i could, but i do find this unfortunate and very disheartening.

[kingdweeb]

Theres a problem you don't fully understand for some reason shaman.
You only need about 27m for a level 13, any level 13. If you can get 50m, you have infinite disposable cash essentially.
Crying about not being able to double up after 50m is kind of rediculous. I've had several billion before (test server AND main server), so I understand what its like being rich as hell. Its not fun. I don't see why not being able to make more than 100m at a time makes you "helpless", seeing as you have billions already.

[Super Jack]

Your IGN: Redder

Description of Problem :
1. I have been gambling on the server and had accumulated a lot of wealth and everything is now lost cause of the rollback and the bug of soul shards. I had 9.5 billion soul shards.
2. Limit on gambling is absurd since it is already limited by the amount of money one can spare on the gambling system.

Other : 1. The amount of soul shards that a person has is basically the amount of items they can buy and are an intergral economic part, them being reduced to one tenth of what one had, is very depressing.
2.Gambling was an integrally fun part of the game which makes one lose and win shards creating a really dynamic system of play. The higher stakes provided, the better the reward is the concept of gambling, which being limited makes no sense.

Why It Affects You/Others*:
1. My soul shards have been reset to 1/9 of what i originally had on the server throughout the day, this means that my purchasing power and other things have become very limited, and unfairly have been restricted.
2.The gambling is essentially a situation where luck and skill both take part together, and higher stakes are balanced with higher risks, this is the form which restricts peoples gambles. Providing a gambling limit is a huge killjoy.and should be at least increased to 1000,000,000 instead of 50,000,000. it affects me more since I have already lost my soul shards to the rollback which dates my major soul shards out which i can't even recover anymore.

Regarding soul shard loss, The database was corrupted, but it has since been restored. the backups are hourly, so the most you will have lost is an hours worth of gain.



1, No way you had 9.5 billion... and if you did, I doubt you earned it without hacks. You currently have almost 2 billion and I'm suspicious of that too.

2, People are abusing the gamble method, due to there being no cap. This cap will stay in place. If you have so much money that gambling 50mil is nothing, then you probably don't need it at all.

The reason behind the cap is that people, probably like you, that hav a lot of money ,can just keep gambling and doulbing up until they have rediculous amounts of money.

Panther I too was worried that he was hacking when he had 50 - 75 million when he was a newbie. Then I remembered he was on for about a week and not ranking up aloud him too save up money. Then the motd came on that said all newbie accounts will be erased. He ranked up too beginner. Then one day I came on and he was a lvl 20 sharp shooter and I felt better. His balance was about 50 million so a little above average for his lvl but still reasonable. I kept on pushing him too Gamble more. and by the time he got too 2 billion, I could convince him too gamble 500 million and 1 billion. I believe that he got that 9.5 billion because I have seen him win up too 4 billion at times. But he also loses billion and sometimes up too 5 billion at other times. You always say that the ambling is completely random, no pattern at all. but what is truly random? Nothing. So even if it was at a probability of every thousand, he could have tracked it, of all the times he gambled. Most likely the case is though, he is lucky, I hae seen hi gamble his way from 50 million too 2 billion.

[AlertCow3]

I have seen his bank account before and he has had 9.5 billion or around that amount. I trust redder and have known him not to hack, and also if he did, there isn't a hacking system for soul shards that I know of, being almost 7 months on this server. I don't see anything that he could have done here but win a lot in gambling.

[kingdweeb]

I know a hacking method to abuse the old SS economy, but not the new one. So no hacks tmi, but gambling shouldn't get that high..

[shaman]

Kingdweeb,
My argument doesn't take the viewpoint of what and how it should be, but stands for the fact that how it always is.
The real world based mechanics generally allow you to do whatever you want freely, and as in life there are people who get stuff and there are people who don't.
The absolute joy is not in achievement of that 9.5 billion but the journey, i am not as sad about the loss of the odd 7.7 billion ss, as i am because of the limit.

At the end of the day, the game we play on the server is for fun and mutual enjoyment and if something is making that sore i think that is detrimental not only for the players but also the server. I also agree that there should be a limit, but it should not be something that makes you unable to achieve something that you can/would have achieved, but just make it a little more difficult, not make it totally impossible. The 50 million limit makes it so that i can't reach 9 billion unless i have 140 straight wins. All i am advocating is that the limit be increased to 500 million or at least 250 million or something so that it becomes a little more fun.

We all will agree the fun is always in being OP(or super good at something) be it pvp or gambling or farming or harvesting or marketing, this something makes you feel that you are good at something and makes you want to put effort into it and lets you derive joy out of it. The great 'Cap' that has been put on it, makes me devoid of my forte, making me feels helpless. This is what i meant by it Kingdweeb.